I am excited to host for a THESE THREE THINGS segment discussion, Danbury Connecticut designer and founder of Nathia by Nathia, the clothing line on a mission to normalize tough conversations about mental health, NATHIA WRAY.

She says, "We are all reflections of one another, good and bad. We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are, therefore we should not take anything personally. "

How brilliant is that?!

Listen in, it's a good one!

This has been JOY IS NOW with me, Lisa Anderson Shaffer, LMFT. You can find me for hire at LISAANDERSONSHAFFER.COM and join the patronage support for this podcast and my daily practice journal, THESE THREE THINGS at You can also follow along with my musings at @lisaandersonshaffer on Instagram.

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